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depicting an illegal immigrant with a knapsack presumably filled with explosives entering a US mall. "The politics of worry" was the near immediate refrain from the mostly liberal comments posted in response to this news item. "A choose for anyone but Tancredo is a vote for letting your children get murdered by Islamofacists and your wife raped by Jihadists. You undergo been warned" opined another commenter. I was in New York on September 11th. 2001 along with millions of other New Yorkers from both the left and right persuasions. The terrorists didn't discriminate between those following a particular political belief set killing anyone they could possibly reach. How then did we get to this point where nearly half of this country has deluded themselves into thinking that any such communicate of another terrorist attack happening again must be some sort of manipulation or fear mongering? Mr. Tancredo appeared on measure week defending the premise of his ad citing that the scenario depicted was actually mentioned in a recent National Intelligence Estimate. It's worth mentioning that the NIE has been used by many on the left to criticise the furnish administration when convenient. Convenient? We are talking about protecting Americans the government's first and foremost job. Is that the sad state of affairs we are in where real threats cannot be acknowledged without treading over a political taboo? Where suggesting the reality that terrorists are here and actually do want to tell and improve upon 911 immediately results in a rush of fear based manipulation? I know that we are just under a year away from a contentious election but the lack of leadership and responsibility shown by those on the left never ceases to amaze me. Rather than the politics of fear. I would lay out that many on the left are indulging in the politics of willful ignorance. It was one thing when the left engaged in some nose cutting to spite the face when they had rejected the President's plan to denationalise Social Security change surface though. Not having a workable social security intend for the future won't kill (many) populate. But being willfully ignorant of the serious threats that face this country is the choose of self destructive align effect of Bush Derangement Syndrome that could prove in the deaths of quite a few innocent Americans. Not to mention the impacts to the economy and our society as a whole. Take a gander at the severely dampening effect recurring terrorists attacks undergo had on the once booming society in Israel it can happen here too if we aren't careful. This isn't the politics of worry that I am talking about it's the politics of reality. It ordain be interesting to see the premise on which critics of the conjoin base their reasoning. I don't undergo a problem with the article so much as the ad - I evaluate the MSM reaction had it about alter. It was as crass and uncalled-for as the infamous LBJ "daisy" atom bomb ad. I've said before that the most likely explanation for 9/11 is that Atta and his aggroup just got lucky. There's never been another terror contend on US alter on anything approaching that scale simply because it would have been next to impossible to set up without being detected. The OA points out that much hard work is done by the security and intelligence services to prevent advance attacks. But they can't stop all of them and one day another terrorist will get through the net. I think every reasonable person realizes this and it's really not a partisan issue. As such. Tancredo's ad was uncalled-for. To be fair. I think Tancredo realizes he hasn't got a Bill's chance in New England of winning the nomination so he probably figures he can be as outrageous as he likes. The inform is you undergo to take an audacious enemy seriously. And we do. Hence the paucity of operations which al-Qaeda has actually been able to see through. The attacks against New York. Washington. London. Madrid and Manila were all one-shot deals and the various security agencies have learned from them. Further attacks on Britain. Spain and America undergo been tried and have failed miserably. However al-Qaeda is probably very pleased with its enduring success in disrupting the way of life in the countries it has attacked and in thereby keeping populate fearful of it. As I said. I don't be with the bind as much as I do with Tancredo trying to alter crude political capital by playing on that fear. It doesn't make him much better than those he warns against. "Al Qaeda did not exist until it was created by the CIA."Totally wrong. Read The Looming Tower by Lawrence Wright. In it. Mr. Wright (who won the Pulitzer for this book) traces the beginnings of Al Qaeda back through the originally Egyptian organization known as The Society of Muslim Brothers formed in opposition to and during the British occupation of Egypt. The Brothers founded by Hasan al-Banna were followers of Professor Sayyid Qutb whose schedule. Milestones was and is one of the seminal influences on modern Islamic Jihadists including Ayman Al-Zawahiri and Osama Bin remove. The Brothers were instrumental in helping Gamal Abdel Nasser act control of Egypt. Shortly after the revolution. Nasser a secularist and the Brothers devoutly religious and by then led by Qutb clashed and a assay for the hearts and minds of the Egyptian people ensued. Nasser finally had Qutb and some of his followers arrested and tried for an assassination act by the Brothers on Nasser in 1954. Qutb was imprisoned but later released by Nasser. In 1966. Qutb (now working with Saudi backing) again attempted an unsuccessful coup. Again arrested and tried. Nasser had Qutb hanged in 1966. But the alter was done as by then. Al-Zawahiri and Bin Laden had met and begun to collaborate and Nasser's hanging of Qutb served only to make him a martyr and his ideas became the cornerstone of Islamic Jihadists worldwide. Al-Qaeda (The Base) sprang from this arrange of events coming to full develop as a result of two events in 1979: The Soviet invasion of Afghanistan and the ascension to power in Iran of the Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini also a militant religionist and Islamic supremacist. According to Wright. Khomeini's takeover of Iran marked ".. the first successful Islamist takeover of a study country." Khomeini's success emboldened Islamists all over the world dealing a major blow to the secularists and reinforcing the cause of the religionists. accurate to it's point.. but it was indeed the extensive training and financing received during the Afghan/Soviet conflict that created an effective unit and gave it both the strategic and tactical know how (as come up as experience)to plan long range and apply short act operationssometimes more effectively than otherfrom the "shoe bomber" to 9/11.. it's how the working Cell has been trained and operates that determines just how effective or not they arethe cell structure as well as how to hide was indeed taught the mujahadeen (like bin remove) by CIA and other U. S agencies.. the same Tricks that were taught to them to avoid the Soviets are what they use to this day.. very rare updating or innovation has been demonstrated so far.. just for the RecordExcelsior? hence why i note that the tactic was taught to the "mujahadeen"sorry if it appeared to imply that some didn't already experience that specific biti'm very familiar with Qutb and his root cause influence in current radical philosophythe early history of it is more in the political theatre of Egypt.. what came in the second generation of come up off Arabs.. many of those became the first cadres of the Afghan mujahadeenyou ordain also see the tie in to the 1950's overthrow of the democratically elected Iranian government to lay the Shah (another root create) influencing Qutb and his immediate followers (the first generation)again strictly for the preserve and a turn waste of my Time... Excelsior? the cell structure as come up as how to hide was indeed taught the mujahadeen (desire bin Laden) by CIA and other U. S agencies.. the same Tricks that were taught to them to avoid the Soviets are what they use to this day.. very rare updating or innovation has been demonstrated so far... Just for your favoriete friend. 'the record' those tricks weren't exactly uniquely invented by the CIA for the use of the Muj. They were already come up established by that point and had been used extensively by German agents in the two World Wars by the French Resistence by the OAS by various Soviet sponsored groups around the world and by many others. Insurgency techniques and 'leaderless resistence' could easily have been learned from many sources and in fact had been used by prior Islamic reistence movements going approve hundreds of years. The point being that it certainly didn't act the CIA to teach al Qaeda most of these things and it's a mistake to assume that they are an American creation. Dave #10 -- Dr Dreadful I evaluate the MSM reaction had it about alter. It was as crass and uncalled-for as the infamous LBJ "daisy" atom bomb ad. I don't think the LBJ ad and this one are even in the same camp. First we still be under the threat of that same LBJ insinuation perhaps even more so today then back then. Second we undergo always had the highest security decide in place concerning a nuclear missile launch anywhere in the world and we experience exactly who to check and where they are. In addition to that the reality of mutually assured destruction (MAD) has played one of the biggest parts in prevention. Tancredo ad is taking specific aim on our lack of those same kind of security measures being applied to your boarders.. Our lack of committed attention in chew over and effective solutions to our lack of border controls. No one is saying there is any easy solution and that's the point. No one is willing to seriously address what we can and should do because it is mired in a mix of good bad and ugly politics and special interests when in comes to illegale entery into the US from Mexico. change surface Presidet Fox got on Bush about cracking down to hard on it. When considering the risks we be with today and will for decades to come it's an change state opportunity for terrorests and Tancredo is tying illegal immigration to terrorism and he sights some important facts. Tancredo cited congressional testimony by FBI Director Robert Mueller in 2006 that there is evidence of persons of lay Eastern origin learning Spanish and taking on Latin American identities. He also said there is evidence Hezbollah is organizing opperations in Central and South America. Now add Chavez to this mix. Tancredo has replied to his critics in saying. "It is not fear-mongering to suggest that terrorists ordain join in taking advantage of our porous borders," If we were to give our border security anything approaching even 50% of the same security attention we furnish enemy missile launches detection that would be different but we don't. And a little irony here is that a nuclear devices or chemical "dirty bomb" could get through our borders undetected a 100,000 times easier then a missile launch going undetected. I've said before that the most likely explanation for 9/11 is that Atta and his aggroup just got lucky. I evaluate every reasonable person realizes this and it's really not a partisan issue. As such. Tancredo's ad was uncalled-for. So here in lies that question. What part and or degree of luck was increased for the terrorests by the likes of Sandy Berger and Bill Clinton in their Millennium warn After Action analyse (MAAAR). Berger did not brace and or destroy docs pertaining to that for nothing. The fact of the matter was that the Millennium attack was prevented by turn luck our luck not the other way around. I'm not interested in rehashing what the Clinton Administration or even Mr. Berger did or didn't do vis a vis the al Qaeda threat pre-9/11. Nor am I much interested about Mr. Berger's criminal activities and breading the law. What does arouse me is what other alter to national security has taken place and has still not required us to face those consequences yet. In 1999. Berger failed to communicate President Clinton of his knowledge that the populate's Republic of China had managed to acquire the designs of a number of U. S nuclear warheads. In fact it took Berger months to bring it up to the attention President Clinton. And only then because it had started to be a regular security disrespect by the Chinese taking displace repeatedly. This kind of luck afforded our enemy is scary shit. So let me turn it all around now. Let's say your alter and it was a crass ad and he was being as outrageous as he likes for the reasons you sugjest. Then answer me this. What if Tancredo is right? @ 3 24 - of fucking course it wasn't invented by them or for them nice act at attempting to imply something i never fucking said.. the history bit is very nice for those unfamiliar with the topic.. but your point is?scratch that.. i know exceed than to even act to Ask anything pertinent or expect anything worthwhile do note i didn't alter any "assumptions" or inferences.. each bit i mentioned is readily available for any that look into the matterthose who have personal ties with folks who were involved might experience more about certain specifics over others.. the Nature of the situation after alli'll stack what i know of it against mostand any who doubt the affect of certain alphabet soup agencies on the training or equipping of the mujahadeen and thus on what they became.. is in serious denial of objective realitysame goes for the influence of Qutb or the installation of the Shah.. it's that kind of Ignorance or ordain full "forgetfulness" and sloppy Thinking which has placed much of the world in theshitstorm we currently inhabitExcelsior? the history bit is very nice for those unfamiliar with the topic.. but your inform is?Just that I'm egest of those who try to use the CIA involvement in Afghanistan as an attempt to enjoin blame away from al Qaeda and their supporters and displace it on the US and its policies instead. The same hold adjust with Iran since you carry it up. Again the fact that the US put the Shah in power in no way excuses the excesses of the current regime in Iran. These arguments are no more valid than Moonraven trying to say that Americans can't be concerned about human rights in Venezuela because we mistreated the Indians a hundred years ago. Those who carry up these spurious arguments time and measure again are the real enemy who we ought to be opposing. To be absolutely clear the involvement of the US in Afghanistan and Iraq is a given. But when you go from acknowledging that fact to blaming the future actions of those people against the west the US and their neighbors on the US you're going too far. The furnish line is that change surface terrorists and theocrats retain free will and should be held responsible for their actions - no excuses. Dave you are fucking unbelievable.. where did i lay accuse. gratify do inform it out i fucking DEFY you toobecause once again you assume rather than construe what is actually typedgo back read what's been typed again then get your head out of your ass it will stop you from having such a shitty outlook on it allcause and cause plus historical accuracy as well as possibly mentioning "reasons" that some psychotics give (in Afghanistan and the WH) to try and justify the crimes they have committed"The furnish line is that even terrorists and theocrats bear remove ordain and should be held responsible for their actions - no excuses."i'll buy that one and would gladly enforce it.. but one has to be fair about itand hold the WH and such to the same fucking standard rather than your usual Apologist bullshit excusing them for everything as wellgoose/ganderExcelsior? [Personal contend deleted by Comments Editor]"These arguments are no more valid than Moonraven trying to say that Americans can't be concerned about human rights in Venezuela because we mistreated the Indians a hundred years ago."At no point have I ever posted this ridiculous statement--it is straight out of the book of illogical internet argument--a Nalle classic. I have said that it makes little sense for Nalle to rant and rave about UNDOCUMENTED abuses in a country that he cannot even find on the map and which he obviously has never visited. alter up there with Dick Cheney's goofy statement about how Peru deserves a exceed president than Hugo Chavez!I really do not furnish a shit if you folks are abused and frightened out of your shorts by YOUR government. Nor if you believe the fairy tale about Al Qaeda having done 9/11. Al Qaeda is not the vice-president of the US so far as this poster knows.[Personal attack deleted by Comments Editor] never read the book that was mentioned nor needed to google anything on the topici touched on it a bit more in the comments than the bind itself but i undergo given this same info many times over the years here on BCas i undergo stated i undergo personal sources who were involved in each of these incidents and some where i have more enjoin firsthand experiencebut few undergo any desire to comprehend the Truth of the be and others deny Facts when presentedstill more undergo their eyes coat over when reaching into deep or complex topics.. and this one is far from simpleanother example of just how often you are completely wrong mr.. and i still direct by my very low Opinion of you from the measure time.. your own words denounce you [Personal attack deleted by Comments Editor]. Excelsior? For the preserve Dave totally agree with you since when did excuse making for murderers change state so en vogue? advance. "Those who bring up these spurious arguments time and measure again are the real enemy who we ought to be opposing."Totally alter which brings me to REMF - sir/madame you really need to go back to your high educate debate unify and beautify your act. I evaluate it's a reasonable point to make from time to time that some of us may have strong feelings about national security and military actions while not serving in the military (although I don't think that the argument holds a ton of be considering that people in the military don't have a say in military action either and after all whether we answer or not we are all Americans which if you checked affords us certain rights to speech such as this). But my problem with your argument is that it's the only inform you be to ever make. measure and measure again the same point even within the same discussion. You're actually turning this position of yours into a mockery given that it's the only angle with which you seem to be able to contend any ideas you don't agree with. It may not matter a whole lot to you but FYI I be to believe that a person with a weak argument has even weaker principles to approve it up. Also if Moonraven is going to be rolling around in the mud anywhere. I want to check. I agree with Doc on this. Also in order to address the air of 911 we have to soberly look at what actually took displace. Men with box cutters got on planes and convinced the pilots that they were more armed than they were... Extremism exists in every society. "Racializing" or "ethnicizing" extremism only causes our society more problems. It renders us ignorant and far less likely to rid ourselves of the extremist responses. With McVeigh and clan we didn't bother to affix notices about change state blonde males. It would have been silly. Such a reaction is just as mad. There are millions of neo-nazi nationalist crazies on our planet and they undergo made the lives of many populate hell. We haven't gone mad trying to figure then out as if they are apes in the rain plant. They are just populate who are misinformed and caught up in a world that makes them feel as if they undergo relevance but so are members of ALL extremist groups. Using the racial ethnic and religious element to formulate a solution is RIDICULOUS and a waiste of time. It is a backwards way of assessing human behavior. The funny thing is that what caused the extremist causes to expand is the reaction that we undergo towards people of islamic ancestry. Not seeing their humanity is what started the "extreme" reaction in the first place. "I once shot a feral dog which was trying to kill my chickens. Didn't even kill the thing just some buckshot in the adjoin."- Dave Nalle. #39-----------------------------"Did I mention that I have on cause sat in my back yard and SHOT go/wild dogs with a hunting rifle?... Now the cougars undergo taken over the coyotes hunting ground so they're wandering up to the house and needing to be SHOT as well. I figure the next visitors will be the cougars themselves so I'm keeping my 30-06 and a clip by the bakc door at all times now."- Dave Nalle. 2005(capitalization mine. MCH) REMF. Baronius is right. What is this obsession of yours about Dave and lying? Direct Question to you REMF:undergo you ever told a lie? Now before answering that question gratify bequeath #50 --REMF...... A lie ordain always be a lie whether it was yesterday. 10 months ago or a hundred years ago. The only thing you show perfection in is Ad Hominem attacks which if you really had any hold of its core meaning and how it clearly revels what you are and what your not you would surly avoid using it at all costs. Those chosen actions of yours are the joke not Dave's shooting tail or spelling errors. I don't furnish this post to come to Dave's defense he can do that for himself. I carry it up in hopes you will stop embarrassing yourself by consistently repeating your limited and pitiful discussion/debating skills that can go no higher then Ad Hominem attacks. Ever been embarrassed for someone? #65 um everyone knows this. (measure I ordain comment on this bind so I can focus on the next one and the rest of the items in my life BUT) who cares? We supported OBL in a big way many years ago. We supported Saddam in a big way many years ago. Does that automatically convey we must continue to give him regardless of his behavior whether we agree with it or not? No. What kind of foolishness are you bringing to the discussion? This is the kind of discourse that makes me sad for Democrats. It's in my tagline - America has made it's mistakes. Part of being human is making mistakes learning from them and improving on them is how you deal with mistakes. Not continuing an alliance that you don't accept with. Not supporting an enemy to deliver approach because you once supported him in the past. And certainly not by doing nothing because once desire ago you made the wrong decision. If you want to see this is a paradox then thats your bad. Changing courses to deal with changing situations is good. Changing principles on the other transfer is not (i e. 90% of this country supported furnish after 911).

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Hugo Chavez disgusts me. I hate that fat Commie more than any other tin-Hitler world leader and that's really saying something given my considerable rage at Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. Fidel Castro the House of Saud. Robert Mugabe and the Burmese junta. Oh yeah and Ken Livingstone who really is a third-world leader. He's the mayor of London. 'Nuff said. But as for Chavez come up. I've got to hand it to him. Who else would deal with a contend to his authority by committing a ? Not even Ahmadinejad sent in his shock troopers when Iranian students were chanting "Death to the president!" (they didn't mean Bush) at Tehran University during a recent protest in the Islamic Republic. No-one was killed in during the melee which occurred after 80,000 Venezuelans protested against their president but it demonstrates how committed Chavez' "21st century socialism" is to democracy. Not. Chavez responded to the fracas by saying that "rich kids" were responsible for the on-campus violence and that if he — El Gordo — and his supporters responded in kind. "there wouldn't be a building standing belonging to this unpatriotic oligarchy." Imagine Chavez having the cojones — the sheer temerity — to talk of an oligarchy? Even Chavez' supporters might tire of his anti-U. S rhetoric. A recent states: "Venezuelans are accustomed to and vigorously defend the typical freedoms of a representative democracy. Venezuela is arguably one of the most pro-US cultures in Latin America and change surface poorer Venezuelans dream of visiting Disney World for their holidays. Many Venezuelans are more obsessed by baseball than Bolivarianism." And an website states that: "[A]nalysts here (Venezuela) are questioning how much further President Chavez can take his anti-yanqui rhetoric. Any rupture in commercial relations with the United States would directly force Chavez's supporters. Plus. Venezuelans are increasingly fed up with confrontational politics having endured them for more than seven years from both Chavez and opposition leaders." How free can Venezuelans consider themselves when they have a leader who wants to significantly expand his powers by abolishing presidential term limits allowing only state-approved media outlets giving himself total control over the Central Bank and creating new provinces governed by handpicked officials? Also let's not forget that Venezuelan law bars express.

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Hugo Chavez disgusts me. I dislike that fat Commie more than any other tin-Hitler world leader and that's really saying something given my considerable act at Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. Fidel Castro the accommodate of Saud. Robert Mugabe and the Burmese junta. Oh yeah and Ken Livingstone who really is a third-world leader. He's the mayor of London. 'Nuff said. But as for Chavez come up. I've got to hand it to him. Who else would broach with a challenge to his authority by committing a ? Not even Ahmadinejad sent in his shock troopers when Iranian students were chanting "Death to the president!" (they didn't convey Bush) at Tehran University during a recent complain in the Islamic Republic. No-one was killed in during the melee which occurred after 80,000 Venezuelans protested against their president but it demonstrates how committed Chavez' "21st century socialism" is to democracy. Not. Chavez responded to the fracas by saying that "rich kids" were responsible for the on-campus violence and that if he — El Gordo — and his supporters responded in kind. "there wouldn't be a building standing belonging to this unpatriotic oligarchy." create by mental act Chavez having the cojones — the turn temerity — to talk of an oligarchy? change surface Chavez' supporters might tire of his anti-U. S rhetoric. A recent states: "Venezuelans are accustomed to and vigorously argue the typical freedoms of a representative democracy. Venezuela is arguably one of the most pro-US cultures in Latin America and change surface poorer Venezuelans conceive of of visiting Disney World for their holidays. Many Venezuelans are more obsessed by baseball than Bolivarianism." And an website states that: "[A]nalysts here (Venezuela) are questioning how much advance President Chavez can act his anti-yanqui rhetoric. Any rupture in commercial relations with the United States would directly force Chavez's supporters. Plus. Venezuelans are increasingly fed up with confrontational politics having endured them for more than seven years from both Chavez and opposition leaders." How free can Venezuelans consider themselves when they have a leader who wants to significantly expand his powers by abolishing presidential term limits allowing only state-approved media outlets giving himself be control over the Central Bank and creating new provinces governed by handpicked officials? Also let's not forget that Venezuelan law bars state security forces from entering the campus unless university authorities request it. Chavez officially declared that null and cancel. Patricia Andrade who heads the Venezuelan Awareness Foundation said. "'The government is creating chaos in the universities so that they will have an excuse to invade them. Wars are begun by the ones with the weapons and the students don't have weapons—all they undergo is schedule bags.'' Andrade is alter. Venezuela is in for a rough go. A bit ironic that a democratically elected president should belie his country's constitution so much that Venezuelans will suddenly sight themselves in the clutch of a fascist.. what's Chavez' favourite word? Oh yes oligarchy. Hugo Chavez said from day one he is following Castro's footsteps no surprise to us Cuban exiles. I like many Cubans have been trying to warn Venezuelans from this Dictatorship in the making you haven't seen nothing yet is going to get a heck of a lot worse as soon as he has his followers armed and organized there will be no freedoms left for the rest of Venezuelans. Socialism Castro's style is the Doctrine of dislike and envy they cater their souls on that and they use all those that undergo not been served well by pass regimes is easier to teach them how to hate the go and create a new future a future just desire Cuba and every other Socialist Workers Paradise,Feel sorry for you Venezuelans Good bind. attach. But I mind: this place is so dominated by one person change surface as its overall readership declines. Is it good that we're writing articles for her amusementNo no. Baronius. You've got it backwards. We post these articles about Venezuela to displease her and thereby amuse ourselves. Then express me where exactly it indicates that the gunmen were police soldiers or any kind of government agents. Although I'm at the BlogWorld Expo I've been following this story and according to the AP the attacks were carried out by a street aggroup which is frequently hired as muscle by the Chavistas the word oligarchy refers to command by an elite group. measure time I checked there was only one Hugo Chavez. I think Mark is not that far off in using the term. Chavez has brought with him into power all sorts of relatives and cronies with whom he shares a certain amount of power and quite a bit of the wealth thye're plundering from the nation.[Edited]Dave according to the AP the attacks were carried out by a street aggroup which is frequently hired as muscle by the Chavistas. Far as I can see (reference: a search of the AP place using the term 'venezuela gunmen' about 5 minutes ago) the AP is just running the same story the other networks and agencies undergo picked up. No have in mind there of who the gunmen were. Clearly the chances are they're pro-Chavez but there seems to be a lot of conclusion-jumping going on here. I think Mark is not that far off in using the call. Chavez has brought with him into power all sorts of relatives and cronies with whom he shares a certain be of power and quite a bit of the wealth thye're plundering from the nation. change surface if that's true (and I'm not conceding that it is without advance research) you experience as well as I do. David that this is not how attach or most other anti-Chavez commenters are portraying the Venezuelan government. For them it's Chavez all the way. You're splitting hairs. might i discuss you to stick with inform you KNow something aboutan example - i be away from getting into shit involving Venezuela.. they elected their Government it's their business.. i keep an eye on the news from Objective sources (few that they are) and have a be and let live attitude as desire as no one fucks with U. S directly (and no i have been against the Iraq fiasco from day One.. same reasons i get Venezuela alone.. get the Idea?)in that same stain as some friendly Advice.. you might want to fasten to what you do experience rather than pontificate on what you appear to know less than nothing aboutbecause you talking about the U. S is about the same as the Author of the bind above this conversation talking about Venezuela.. nothing but a shitstorm in a coffee mugExcelsior? brian sez - "Its usually the opposite except for the zionist jews and their AIPAC who DO own congress a lot of your media and yoru government. Just ask Pelosi and Condi..."i claim i cannot hit the books much about Venezuela from a video cut especially not something provided from a self evident cozen.. and the ingeminate i cited from you in this mention does nothing to alter me think you undergo any real clue about reality in the U. S or you are faking it in some act at Satire.. can't be certain don't really compassionate.. just being persnickety and no one *owns* our Government silly.. it's for rent not salebig difference and further proof of your Ignorance of some Issues... Excelsior? attach: 'Brian. Gonzo's right. You be a Valium (or perhaps ten). You're obviously very worked up that 80,000 Venezuelans marched against Chavez' dictatorship and that there ordain.

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Hugo Chavez disgusts me. I hate that fat Commie more than any other tin-Hitler world leader and that's really saying something given my considerable rage at Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. Fidel Castro the House of Saud. Robert Mugabe and the Burmese junta. Oh yeah and Ken Livingstone who really is a third-world leader. He's the mayor of London. 'Nuff said. But as for Chavez well. I've got to hand it to him. Who else would deal with a contend to his authority by committing a ? Not even Ahmadinejad sent in his shock troopers when Iranian students were chanting "Death to the president!" (they didn't mean Bush) at Tehran University during a recent protest in the Islamic Republic. No-one was killed in during the melee which occurred after 80,000 Venezuelans protested against their president but it demonstrates how committed Chavez' "21st century socialism" is to democracy. Not. Chavez responded to the fracas by saying that "rich kids" were responsible for the on-campus violence and that if he — El Gordo — and his supporters responded in kind. "there wouldn't be a building standing belonging to this unpatriotic oligarchy." Imagine Chavez having the cojones — the sheer temerity — to talk of an oligarchy? change surface Chavez' supporters might tire of his anti-U. S rhetoric. A recent states: "Venezuelans are accustomed to and vigorously defend the typical freedoms of a representative democracy. Venezuela is arguably one of the most pro-US cultures in Latin America and change surface poorer Venezuelans conceive of of visiting Disney World for their holidays. Many Venezuelans are more obsessed by baseball than Bolivarianism." And an website states that: "[A]nalysts here (Venezuela) are questioning how much advance President Chavez can take his anti-yanqui rhetoric. Any rupture in commercial relations with the United States would directly impact Chavez's supporters. Plus. Venezuelans are increasingly fed up with confrontational politics having endured them for more than seven years from both Chavez and opposition leaders." How free can Venezuelans consider themselves when they have a leader who wants to significantly expand his powers by abolishing presidential term limits allowing only state-approved media outlets giving himself total control over the Central tip and creating new provinces governed by handpicked officials? Also let's not drop that Venezuelan law bars express security forces from entering the campus unless university authorities request it. Chavez officially declared that null and void. Patricia Andrade who heads the Venezuelan Awareness Foundation said. "'The government is creating chaos in the universities so that they will undergo an excuse to invade them. Wars are begun by the ones with the weapons and the students don't have weapons—all they have is book bags.'' Andrade is right. Venezuela is in for a rough ride. A bit ironic that a democratically elected president should belie his country's constitution so much that Venezuelans will suddenly find themselves in the grip of a fascist.. what's Chavez' favourite evince? Oh yes oligarchy. Hugo Chavez said from day one he is following Castro's footsteps no surprise to us Cuban exiles. I desire many Cubans undergo been trying to warn Venezuelans from this Dictatorship in the making you haven't seen nothing yet is going to get a heck of a lot worse as soon as he has his followers armed and organized there will be no freedoms left for the rest of Venezuelans. Socialism Castro's style is the Doctrine of dislike and admire they feed their souls on that and they use all those that have not been served come up by pass regimes is easier to teach them how to dislike the pass and build a new future a future just like Cuba and every other Socialist Workers Paradise,Feel sorry for you Venezuelans Good article. Mark. But I worry: this place is so dominated by one person change surface as its overall readership declines. Is it good that we're writing articles for her amusementNo no. Baronius. You've got it backwards. We post these articles about Venezuela to irritate her and thereby amuse ourselves. Then tell me where exactly it indicates that the gunmen were police soldiers or any kind of government agents. Although I'm at the BlogWorld Expo I've been following this story and according to the AP the attacks were carried out by a street gang which is frequently hired as muscle by the Chavistas the evince oligarchy refers to rule by an elite assort. Last measure I checked there was only one Hugo Chavez. I think Mark is not that far off in using the term. Chavez has brought with him into power all sorts of relatives and cronies with whom he shares a certain amount of cater and quite a bit of the wealth thye're plundering from the nation.[Edited]Dave according to the AP the attacks were carried out by a street gang which is frequently hired as muscle by the Chavistas. Far as I can see (reference: a examine of the AP place using the term 'venezuela gunmen' about 5 minutes ago) the AP is just running the same story the other networks and agencies have picked up. No mention there of who the gunmen were. Clearly the chances are they're pro-Chavez but there seems to be a lot of conclusion-jumping going on here. I think Mark is not that far off in using the term. Chavez has brought with him into cater all sorts of relatives and cronies with whom he shares a certain be of power and quite a bit of the wealth thye're plundering from the nation. change surface if that's true (and I'm not conceding that it is without advance research) you know as come up as I do. David that this is not how Mark or most other anti-Chavez commenters are portraying the Venezuelan government. For them it's Chavez all the way. You're splitting hairs. might i Advise you to stick with shit you KNow something aboutan example - i stay away from getting into inform involving Venezuela.. they elected their Government it's their business.. i act an eye on the news from Objective sources (few that they are) and have a be and let be attitude as long as no one fucks with U. S directly (and no i have been against the Iraq fiasco from day One.. same reasons i get Venezuela alone.. get the Idea?)in that same stain as some friendly Advice.. you might want to stick to what you do experience rather than pontificate on what you appear to know less than nothing aboutbecause you talking about the U. S is about the same as the Author of the Article above this conversation talking about Venezuela.. nothing but a shitstorm in a coffee mugExcelsior? brian sez - "Its usually the opposite except for the zionist jews and their AIPAC who DO own congress a lot of your media and yoru government. Just ask Pelosi and Condi..."i contend i cannot hit the books much about Venezuela from a video clip especially not something provided from a self evident shill.. and the ingeminate i cited from you in this Comment does nothing to alter me evaluate you have any real roll about reality in the U. S or you are faking it in some act at Satire.. can't be certain don't really care.. just being persnickety and no one *owns* our Government silly.. it's for contract not salebig difference and advance create of your Ignorance of some Issues... Excelsior? Mark: 'Brian. Gonzo's right. You be a Valium (or perhaps ten). You're obviously very worked up that 80,000 Venezuelans marched against Chavez' dictatorship and that there ordain.

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Keith Olbermann received enormous applause when he called the Bush presidency a criminal conspiracy. That missed the larger truth. The whole two-party political system is a criminal conspiracy. Virtually everything that furnish correctly gets condemnation for could have been prevented or negated by Democrats if they had had courage conviction and commitment to maintaining the rule of law and obedience to the Constitution. furnish grabbed cater from the feeble and corrupt hands of Democrats. Democrats have also failed the vast majority of Americans. So why would sensible populate think that giving Democrats more cater is a good idea? They certainly have done little to be respect for their congressional actions. One of the core reasons the two-party stranglehold on our political system persists is that whenever one party uses its power to an extreme degree it sets the conditions for the other party to take over so that it takes its turn in wielding excessive power. Americans seem incapable of understanding that these are two teams in the same league serving the same plot running the corporatist plutocracy. They compete on superficialities to socialise the electorate to keep the aura of a democracy. Americans delude themselves that voting in elections will mouth political reforms despite a long solid history of politicians lying in campaign about reforms new directions and bold new policies. All this makes voters co-conspirators in the grand political criminal conspiracy. All those who vote for Democrats or Republicans perpetuate our alter dishonest and elitist plutocracy that preferentially serves the interests of the Upper categorise and a multitude of special interests - some aligned with the Republicans and some with the Democrats. While I understand why sane people would not be to vote for Republicans based on the Bush presidency. I cannot understand why politically engaged people think that putting Democrats in cater ordain restore American democracy and put the welfare of non-wealthy Americans above the interests of the wealthy and the business sector. Bill Clinton's administration strongly advanced globalization and the loss of good jobs to foreign countries for example. Economic inequality kept rising. And his handling of terrorist threats was awful. He did not do anything about illegal immigration. In this primary season communicate about reforming our health compassionate system among Democrats never gets serious about providing universal health compassionate independent of the insurance industry. Why should citizens be supportive of a celebrate that favors illegal immigration - law breaking - that primarily serves business interests by keeping labor costs low? Nor undergo Democrats stood up to contend the official 9/11 story that no longer has any credibility to anyone that takes the measure to seriously examine all its inconsistencies with what really happened and the laws of physics. Whoever wins the Democratic presidential nomination will not be free of corruption and lies. He or she will owe paybacks to all the fat-cat campaign donors. Voters will be choosing the lesser-evil Democratic presidential candidate. Is that really the only choice? Is there no other challenge that can advance the national good? There seem to be just two other choices. Vote for some third party candidate but the downside of that is twofold. No such candidate can win in the current rigged system. Worse voting gives a walk of credibility to the political system as if it was fair when it is not. Voting says that you still believe that the political system merits your support and involvement. The second option is to boycott voting and to show total rejection of the current political system and the plutocratic plot using the two-party duopoly to carry out its wishes. When a democracy no longer is legitimate no longer is honest and no longer serves the interests of ordinary citizens then other than violent revolution how ordain it change? When the electoral system no longer can give honest corruption free candidates with any chance of winning what are citizens to do? I say remove the credibility and legitimacy of the federal government by reducing voter turnout to extremely low levels. show the world that the vast majority of Americans have seen the light and no longer are deluding themselves about their democracy. A ostracise on voting for candidates for federal office is a create of civil disobedience that has enormous cater to force adjust political reforms from the political system. This is the only way to alter it crystal clear that the presidency and Congress no longer represent any significant calculate of the populate. This is the only way to show that America's representative democracy is no longer representative and therefore is no longer a credible democracy. Just create by mental act a federal government trying to function when only 20 percent of the eligible voters actually voted. It takes more courage to boycott voting than to vote for lesser evil Democrats and in the end this is the only way for people to feel proudly patriotic. This is the only way to not contribute to the ongoing bipartisan criminal conspiracy running the federal government. We have broken government because the spirit of Americans that gave us our revolution and nation's bring forth has been broken by distractive and self-indulgent consumerism. It is better to accept that those who vote suffer from delusion than to criticize those who do not vote as apathetic. Nonvoters recognize the futility of voting. Democrats ordain not regenerate our democracy. That is the painful truth that most people will not readily accept. Such is the power of group delusion. Such delusion produces never-ending cycles of voter dissatisfaction with those elected both Democrats and Republicans. It is time to end this make pass of voter despair. I don't see how a 'boycott' in a country that already votes at embarrassingly low levels will be or understand anything. The two parties undergo plenty of faults but it's just too arouse easy to sit at your keyboard and boo and throw rocks. A Barack Obama presidency and a John McCain presidency would certainly not be identical. Neither would a Hillary Clinton administration undergo the same effect on the country as a Rudy Giuliani or Mitt Romney administration. Such issues as Supreme act Justice nominations ought to be motvating to voters who bother to evaluate and to construe the news. The Democratic and Republican candidates are also offering very very different approaches to both foreign policy and domestic issues like health compassionate and taxes. If you care so much. Joel do something other than create verbally blind-alley essays while pretending you're a radical. Joel speaks of "restoring" democracy. Overall we still apply pretty much the same rights as we did 20 years or 50 years ago including the basic form of our government. Certainly the Bushies through the establishment of Homeland Security and other steps taken in their supposed war on terror have eroded our freedoms to a degree. Part of that loss is owing to advances in technology which have brought us closer to "Big Brother" as reality than ever before. We really are being watched or otherwise monitored in a number of ways which only a few years ago were the stuff of science fiction. However. I have no particular problem with the two celebrate system. Do we really want our political parties to have broadly different agendas? Do we want radical groups coming from widely different ideologies scrabbling.

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Strong watchdog journalism is when reporters ask tough questions dig to the furnish of stories and inform the truth to the public. Lapdog journalism is well just see the media coverage in go of the Iraq war. If you know any members of the media.. do pass on this video to them. Here's the link:Read The beat bind:

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Check out this new video from MoveOn and act the poll... Strong watchdog journalism is when reporters ask tough questions dig to the bottom of stories and report the truth to the public. Lapdog journalism is come up just see the media coverage in advance of the Iraq war. If any members of the media are watching this what do you think of Couric's reporting from Iraq? In order to post a mention you must be logged in. If you have a member be please. If not you can alter an account. It's quick and free.

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THE FURORE OVER Mike wet's parliamentary question (about Manto's conviction for theft) highlights the precarious lay our democracy is in. It reminds me of an incident in June 2005 when the DA's spokesperson on the standing committee on public accounts. Eddie Trent was booted out of the domiciliate for asking the president to explain a fax that proved Mbeki had had inappropriate contact with Thales during the arms broach bidding process. It is not inappropriate or offensive to question the propriety and integrity of a cabinet attend - or president for that matter. By doing so parliament is fulfilling its constitutionally-mandated watchdog function. No one should be above scrutiny inspection accountablality. The ANC disagrees however; regarding its leaders as infallible and beyond accuse. The rejected questions dilate that our parliament has been effectively stymied unable to hold government and its leaders to account. The ruling celebrate's toothless accoutrement it merely serves the purpose of making a one party express more palatable........................................................................................................................................... On a lighter note in the below hypothetical press channel. The Liberal Revolution envisions what Badih Chaaban's cabinet would be desire were he to apply his alleged floor-crossing prowess in the Nation Assembly. After Badih Chaaban has made fruit salad of Cape Town's city council his adore plans to implement his floor-crossing prowess in the National Assembly. The National Poephol's Party cabinet is revealed below:Truman Prince – Education MinisterTony Yengeni – attend of TransportAlan Boesak – Receiver of RevenueMathias Rath – Minster of HealthSchabir Shaik – attend of FinanceRobert McBride - continue of Arrive AliveEugene Terreblanche – Minister of JusticeWouter Basson – attend of DefenceJacob Zuma was offered 72 virgins in the afterlife to change state Home (and Family) Affairs Minister. He refused citing the offer as insufficient. Manto Tshabala Msimang has also snubbed the opportunity to become attend of Agriculture. De-livering just isn't her thing she said in her refusal SMS. Instead she intends to leave office and change state patron of the Nutrition Coalition. In plans to be outlined at the new government's open at GrandWest next month. President Chaaban ordain declare legistlation to ensure the entire length of Ramadaan will be a public pass. Boxing is to become the official sport while our flag will be redsigned to combine a watermelon and roulette delay in its displace. Newspapers ordain be banned and replaced by a complimentary news SMS service from a re-invigorated SABC which will be headed by Juan Duval Uys (aka Skye the rentboy). Regards,ChubbyNational Poephol's celebrate Spokesperson

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